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Brace yourselves for a spectral analysis as we team up with the Stiletto Banshees' very own Tab and Micah to dissect the atmospheric 2008 Australian film "Lake Mungo." Our latest episode transcends a mere movie review, venturing into the murky waters of the film's haunting narrative, its understated theatrical debut, and subsequent rise to cult status through intimate home viewings. We're peeling back the layers of Joel Anderson's direction and the standout performances that give this story its chilling depth – all the while, exploring the film's global appeal that belies its initial limited release.
In an unexpected turn of appreciation for a genre we're often wary of, we find ourselves thoroughly entranced by "Lake Mungo's" fusion of true crime and ghostly encounters. Micah brings fresh eyes to the discussion, sharing her initial reactions to the film's subtle yet profound storytelling techniques. Alongside the eerie family dynamics, we're reflecting on the movie's ability to sustain tension and admiration for the crafted ambiguity that invites multiple viewings. Dive with us into the thought-provoking themes of grief and the unnerving ease of vanishing in the digital age, all set to a score that is as minimalistic as it is evocative.
Concluding with an insightful dialogue on the portrayal of grief and the convoluted path to resolution, this episode promises a compelling examination of how the film's characters navigate their harrowing loss. We delve into the chilling implications of a neighbour's secret and the shocking twists that ensue, painting a poignant portrait of a family in the throes of sorrow. With a nod to the sociocultural commentary woven through the film and our upcoming reviews, this is an episode not to be missed by cinephiles and supernatural aficionados alike. Join the conversation as Tab and Micah lend their expertise to this profound exploration of "Lake Mungo.
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00:00:25 --> 00:00:29 <v Speaker 2>You're listening to a Monster Kid Podcast.
00:00:29 --> 00:00:42 <v Speaker 2>Hi and welcome to A Dingo Ate my Movie, a podcast that features classic exploitation and other weird, wonderful, overlooked and underappreciated Australian films from the 70s, 80s and beyond.
00:00:42 --> 00:00:53 <v Speaker 2>My name is Pete and I'm your host the Night Rider, that is his name.
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00:01:04 --> 00:01:13 <v Speaker 3>Welcome to A Dingo Ate my Movie, a podcast about the weird and wonderful Australian films from the 70s, 80s and beyond.
00:01:13 --> 00:01:22 <v Speaker 3>I'm your host, pete, and today I'm joined by Tab and Micah from the Stiletto Banshees to talk about Lake Mungo from 2008.
00:01:22 --> 00:01:24 <v Speaker 3>Good morning Tab and Micah.
00:01:24 --> 00:01:24 <v Speaker 3>How are you guys?
00:01:26 --> 00:01:27 <v Speaker 1>We're good.
00:01:27 --> 00:01:27 <v Speaker 1>Good morning, we're doing great.
00:01:27 --> 00:01:28 <v Speaker 1>Thank you for having us.
00:01:28 --> 00:01:29 <v Speaker 3>No problem at all.
00:01:29 --> 00:01:32 <v Speaker 3>It's good to have two people on instead of one.
00:01:32 --> 00:01:32 <v Speaker 3>I usually have one.
00:01:32 --> 00:01:33 <v Speaker 1>It's good having two.
00:01:33 --> 00:01:35 <v Speaker 1>I always like doing this show with Tab.
00:01:36 --> 00:01:38 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, you kind of lean on her for support.
00:01:38 --> 00:01:43 <v Speaker 3>That's why I like doing any show with Tab Same, no pressure.
00:01:43 --> 00:01:48 <v Speaker 3>Today we're going to have a chat about lake mungo from 2008.
00:01:48 --> 00:01:51 <v Speaker 3>The movie is.
00:01:51 --> 00:01:53 <v Speaker 3>I'll just do a quick synopsis here.
00:01:53 --> 00:01:58 <v Speaker 3>16 year old alice palmer drowns while swimming in a local dam.
00:01:58 --> 00:02:04 <v Speaker 3>When her body is recovered and a verdict of accidental death returned, her grieving family buries her.
00:02:04 --> 00:02:10 <v Speaker 3>The family then experiences strange and inexplicable events centered in and around their home.
00:02:10 --> 00:02:15 <v Speaker 3>Profoundly unsettled, the Palmers seek the help of a psychic and parapsychologist.
00:02:15 --> 00:02:17 <v Speaker 3>It's too early in the morning to read all this stuff.
00:02:17 --> 00:02:21 <v Speaker 3>Ray Kemeny, Is it Kemeny Kemeny?
00:02:21 --> 00:02:24 <v Speaker 3>Ray discovers that Alice led a secret double life.
00:02:24 --> 00:02:29 <v Speaker 3>Clues lead the family to Lake Mungo, where Alice's secret past emerges.
00:02:29 --> 00:02:33 <v Speaker 3>Lake Mungo is a mystery, a thriller and a ghost story.
00:02:33 --> 00:02:36 <v Speaker 3>That was written by one of the producers.
00:02:36 --> 00:02:38 <v Speaker 3>I got that off IMDb Pro.
00:02:38 --> 00:02:40 <v Speaker 4>Oh okay cool, it's pretty accurate.
00:02:40 --> 00:02:41 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's pretty close.
00:02:41 --> 00:02:46 <v Speaker 1>I think the only thing it's I'd argue she lived a triple life, let alone a double life.
00:02:46 --> 00:02:47 <v Speaker 1>There was a lot going on.
00:02:48 --> 00:02:49 <v Speaker 3>A lot going on in her life.
00:02:49 --> 00:02:57 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was directed by Joel Anderson and written by Joel Anderson, produced by George Neville and Dave Rapsy.
00:02:57 --> 00:03:13 <v Speaker 3>The cast is Talia Zaka plays Alice Palmer, david Pledger, russell Palmer, rosie Trainor plays June Palmer, martin Sharp, her brother, matthew Palmer, and Steve Jodrell plays Ray Kemney.
00:03:13 --> 00:03:15 <v Speaker 3>It had a budget of $1.4 million.
00:03:15 --> 00:03:18 <v Speaker 3>It looks like it was only in theatres for like a week.
00:03:18 --> 00:03:27 <v Speaker 3>I had a look at Box Office Pro, or whatever it's called, box Office Mojo, and I only saw the dates of 30th of July to 2nd of August 2009.
00:03:27 --> 00:03:29 <v Speaker 3>It took $8.
00:03:29 --> 00:03:37 <v Speaker 3>So it's really one of those movies that's quite like hasn't been seen all that much.
00:03:37 --> 00:03:40 <v Speaker 3>I think it's picked up a second life recently.
00:03:40 --> 00:03:44 <v Speaker 3>We'll go into that a bit later but it was only in the theatres for a short time.
00:03:44 --> 00:04:06 <v Speaker 1>It's much better watched on a TV anyway, I think it makes more sense watching on a tv for sure, and it warrants re-watches because it there's certain twists and turns that when you watch it the second time it it just plays differently it does absolutely yeah well, and I wonder if that theatrical release was like the after dark film festival, because I was gonna ask like how did is?
00:04:06 --> 00:04:14 <v Speaker 1>Did they have a system for how they did they pick up movies after the fact or did they distribute them and and control all of that?
00:04:14 --> 00:04:28 <v Speaker 4>maybe they only did like a month, maybe they only did well yeah, typically, um I I think with the other after dark films, they would pick the movies after they had been finished and then they would screen them over a weekend, which it looks like.
00:04:28 --> 00:04:34 <v Speaker 1>that's kind of what happened here, Um but they didn't do a theatrical run, or yeah.
00:04:34 --> 00:04:37 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, usually they would go right to DVD.
00:04:38 --> 00:04:42 <v Speaker 3>And, like I said, this is a much better watched on a TV than right.
00:04:42 --> 00:04:44 <v Speaker 3>I couldn't imagine watching this.
00:04:44 --> 00:04:47 <v Speaker 3>When I was watching it, I was like I couldn't imagine watching this on a cinema screen.
00:04:48 --> 00:04:51 <v Speaker 1>There's too much nuance and you've got to like know where to put your eye.
00:04:52 --> 00:04:57 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Plus just the whole way it's made is made for TV really.
00:04:57 --> 00:05:01 <v Speaker 1>Well, it feels like a Dateline episode kind of, or like a crime documentary.
00:05:01 --> 00:05:05 <v Speaker 3>I was saying, yeah, well, you put in that parlance for you guys, For us.
00:05:05 --> 00:05:07 <v Speaker 3>I said to May when we were first watching it.
00:05:07 --> 00:05:12 <v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, this is just like watching an ABC documentary or something like that.
00:05:12 --> 00:05:13 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.
00:05:13 --> 00:05:17 <v Speaker 3>Ratings quite good for the movie IMDb 6.3 out of 10.
00:05:17 --> 00:05:24 <v Speaker 3>Rotten Tomatoes for the reviewer score was 96%, the audience score 62% and Letterboxd it's a.
00:05:24 --> 00:05:30 <v Speaker 3>3.4 out of 5 is the average, so it's a pretty well-rated movie.
00:05:30 --> 00:05:35 <v Speaker 3>I'll go into it later, but I actually enjoyed it more the second time when I watched it.
00:05:35 --> 00:05:38 <v Speaker 3>So where did I watch this one?
00:05:38 --> 00:05:39 <v Speaker 3>I watched.
00:05:39 --> 00:05:48 <v Speaker 3>This is really tough if you're in Australia, if you don't have Broly, then it seems to be the only place that has it on streaming at the moment.
00:05:48 --> 00:05:55 <v Speaker 3>There's a second site standard edition Blu-ray still available you can buy.
00:05:55 --> 00:06:01 <v Speaker 3>There was a deluxe edition or a two-disc edition, but that's like out of print, sold out, same.
00:06:01 --> 00:06:05 <v Speaker 3>There was a DVD available and that's apparently out of print as well.
00:06:05 --> 00:06:06 <v Speaker 3>So it's one of those.
00:06:06 --> 00:06:07 <v Speaker 3>How did you guys watch it?
00:06:08 --> 00:06:14 <v Speaker 1>uh, I bought mine on itunes okay so it's a different regionally probably.
00:06:14 --> 00:06:16 <v Speaker 1>So in the us it's on itunes for like eight bucks.
00:06:17 --> 00:06:20 <v Speaker 3>Um, I watched it there okay, yeah, I think it's probably about this.
00:06:20 --> 00:06:22 <v Speaker 3>It's probably available on it here too.
00:06:22 --> 00:06:26 <v Speaker 3>To be honest, you have to buy it, yeah, yeah.
00:06:27 --> 00:06:31 <v Speaker 4>It's also available on Prime with ads, which is a terrible way to watch it.
00:06:31 --> 00:06:31 <v Speaker 1>You have to watch it.
00:06:31 --> 00:06:33 <v Speaker 1>It's a terrible way to watch anything.
00:06:33 --> 00:06:38 <v Speaker 3>Well, true, but definitely something like this I really hate the way all these streaming services are suddenly.
00:06:38 --> 00:06:41 <v Speaker 3>It reminds me of like pay TV.
00:06:41 --> 00:06:48 <v Speaker 3>When we first got pay TV years and years ago I'm sure the experience is the same for you the big selling point of pay tv was no ads.
00:06:48 --> 00:06:54 <v Speaker 3>You pay money and you get no ads, and then eventually they started sinking ads in and now it's just like watching normal tv.
00:06:54 --> 00:07:03 <v Speaker 1>So yeah it's going to become like cable, like streaming is going to be just it's going to be like come full circle, yeah it's just yeah, it's crazy.
00:07:03 --> 00:07:08 <v Speaker 3>that's why I buy media, that's my personal.
00:07:08 --> 00:07:11 <v Speaker 3>I think we're all on the same boat, right?
00:07:11 --> 00:07:21 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I try to buy physical when I can, but anyway, I wasn't able to find a lot of trivia for this film, a lot of you know bits and bobs.
00:07:21 --> 00:07:24 <v Speaker 3>The main thing I found out was there's no actual script written for this movie.
00:07:24 --> 00:07:34 <v Speaker 3>They had like a you know where everything wanted to go and the story, but there was no dialogue for the actors.
00:07:34 --> 00:07:41 <v Speaker 3>They were basically given plot points to hit and then they were interviewed, though by the director.
00:07:41 --> 00:07:43 <v Speaker 3>I think, um, yeah that makes sense.
00:07:44 --> 00:07:51 <v Speaker 1>That seems to be common for like the faux documentary Like I think of, like Spinal Tap or I think the Last Broadcast is done that way too.
00:07:51 --> 00:07:54 <v Speaker 1>It just feels very natural because it's improv.
00:07:54 --> 00:07:57 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I think it works really well for this.
00:07:57 --> 00:08:00 <v Speaker 3>So the other bits I picked up.
00:08:00 --> 00:08:05 <v Speaker 3>Jordan Peele stated in a podcast that he thought Lake Mungo was one of the most frightening movies he'd seen.
00:08:06 --> 00:08:09 <v Speaker 4>That's high praise, it is high praise, yeah, yeah.
00:08:09 --> 00:08:14 <v Speaker 3>It's interesting because, like I said, I'll go into it, but I didn't find it that scary.
00:08:14 --> 00:08:34 <v Speaker 1>But there's a difference between scary and unsettling, Right, you might be talking about the ending, because it's kind of a slow burn that hinges on this one stinger, maybe two stingers at the end, and those are so effective that I can see someone coming out of it being like that thing was terrifying.
00:08:34 --> 00:08:35 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely.
00:08:35 --> 00:08:48 <v Speaker 3>Lake Mungo itself is about 1 kilometres west of Sydney and about 700 kilometres north of Melbourne, so it's a dry lake, but I's I think we were talking about this before we started Tab.
00:08:48 --> 00:08:58 <v Speaker 3>It's home to the earliest human remains found in Australia and possibly the world, so they found remains at this site that are estimated to be more than 40 years old.
00:08:58 --> 00:09:05 <v Speaker 3>It's also one of the most one of the richest fossil footprint sites ever found, which is interesting.
00:09:05 --> 00:09:06 <v Speaker 3>That's not like a find.
00:09:06 --> 00:09:08 <v Speaker 3>I couldn't find much else about this film.
00:09:09 --> 00:09:10 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot.
00:09:10 --> 00:09:17 <v Speaker 4>I mean, I kind of looked for just production information and that was about what I could find as well.
00:09:17 --> 00:09:21 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's interesting and, like the director, Joel Anderson, he's made nothing since.
00:09:21 --> 00:09:23 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, Micah and I were talking about that earlier.
00:09:23 --> 00:09:24 <v Speaker 3>That's made nothing since.
00:09:25 --> 00:09:27 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, micah and I were talking about that earlier.
00:09:27 --> 00:09:28 <v Speaker 4>That's crazy to me, yeah.
00:09:29 --> 00:09:37 <v Speaker 3>That's what I think makes it one of those sort of weird movies, in a way, like you've got it made by somebody Almost like it's real, yeah, yeah.
00:09:37 --> 00:09:44 <v Speaker 3>But I don't think he's done anything else, and even some of the actors I don't think have done a lot.
00:09:51 --> 00:09:53 <v Speaker 1>Most of them when I looked at them in imdb, most of them have done, you know, usual tv stuff and things like that.
00:09:53 --> 00:10:03 <v Speaker 1>I think usually for like genre stuff there's always like a handful of those every decade, I feel like where, like a director makes one, maybe two movies and then they just go on with their life, they do something else, or whatever.
00:10:03 --> 00:10:06 <v Speaker 1>The 2000s had quite a few of those of like had a big hit and then they just go on with their life, they do something else, or whatever.
00:10:06 --> 00:10:10 <v Speaker 1>The 2000s had quite a few of those of like had a big hit and then just kind of went away, isn't that?
00:10:11 --> 00:10:11 <v Speaker 3>funny.
00:10:11 --> 00:10:12 <v Speaker 3>It's interesting how these things happen.
00:10:12 --> 00:10:20 <v Speaker 3>It's like they have one great idea and they just sort of get that out there into the world and then they're, I don't know, satisfied with that.
00:10:20 --> 00:10:24 <v Speaker 3>Maybe Interested to hear your first thoughts on the movie.
00:10:26 --> 00:10:32 <v Speaker 4>So I watched this several years ago after a couple of people had recommended it as a found footage film.
00:10:32 --> 00:10:35 <v Speaker 4>I I might like um I.
00:10:35 --> 00:11:04 <v Speaker 4>I was pretty well known on uh test pattern for for not really enjoying found footage films, so a lot of people would try to recommend things and this one sounded interesting and I really enjoyed it, probably because it feels more like a true crime style documentary than something like paranormal activity and I think for me it's just much more effective than Blair Witch or paranormal activity, particularly when we get to the jump scare kind of towards the end of the film.
00:11:04 --> 00:11:14 <v Speaker 4>And I felt like, even though the film has some ambiguous aspects, the ending felt more satisfying than something like blair witch or paranormal activity for me.
00:11:14 --> 00:11:18 <v Speaker 4>I know there's plenty of fans of both of those movies and and um.
00:11:18 --> 00:11:21 <v Speaker 4>That makes sense, but yeah, I would agree.
00:11:21 --> 00:11:27 <v Speaker 1>As a fan of like blair witch, I'd say that the ending is both ambiguous and lands.
00:11:27 --> 00:11:32 <v Speaker 1>Enough that you're like I I kind of know what happened and the parts that I don't don't really matter.
00:11:32 --> 00:11:37 <v Speaker 1>It's fun to speculate right right, whereas blair witch is like I'm not even sure.
00:11:38 --> 00:11:53 <v Speaker 4>I think I know what happened, but that's that's it maybe yeah maybe I know what happened but yeah, I thought I thought joel Joel Anderson struck a really good balance between leaving some things ambiguous and then sort of hitting you with that.
00:11:53 --> 00:12:03 <v Speaker 4>Oh, she really was there as a ghost the whole time, and I think they did a really great job with the pictures and the whole movie footage as far as making the Palmers feel like a real family.
00:12:03 --> 00:12:11 <v Speaker 4>It's kind of a tricky thing in these kind of movies and everything felt really genuine they play it very believably too.
00:12:12 --> 00:12:26 <v Speaker 4>Yes, very much fantastic yeah, and obviously they had, uh, younger pictures of the actress that plays um, that plays alice, so that lended towards making it feel real as well.
00:12:26 --> 00:12:44 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had the grandparents involved and stuff like that so you really got that extended family sort of feel right, right, like you would in like a true crime documentary yeah, you see how it affected everybody and even like neighbors and co-workers and and her boyfriend and friend the world building is really good yeah yeah it really is.
00:12:44 --> 00:12:45 <v Speaker 1>It really is.
00:12:45 --> 00:12:46 <v Speaker 4>It's great.
00:12:46 --> 00:12:51 <v Speaker 4>And then something that struck me both times that I watched the movie was the nighttime time-lapse photography.
00:12:51 --> 00:12:58 <v Speaker 4>The clarity of the stars and the way they moved across the sky during the time-lapse felt really eerie and surreal.
00:12:58 --> 00:13:04 <v Speaker 4>So I think that sort of in a weird way, lends to the creepy feeling overall in the movie.
00:13:05 --> 00:13:06 <v Speaker 3>What did you think micah?
00:13:06 --> 00:13:09 <v Speaker 1>uh, well, I hadn't seen this one.
00:13:09 --> 00:13:14 <v Speaker 1>Um, I had kind of heard of it, probably back when it came out, as like another one of the after dark movies.
00:13:14 --> 00:13:21 <v Speaker 1>For some reason my memory of those was like I I kind of wrote them off almost I didn't understand really what it was.
00:13:21 --> 00:13:29 <v Speaker 1>I thought it was kind of like a masters of horror tales from the crypt, like they were going to be one hour episodic kind of things.
00:13:29 --> 00:13:35 <v Speaker 1>I didn't realize they were real movies until much later, and then I started watching some of them and they're all actually pretty good.
00:13:35 --> 00:13:41 <v Speaker 1>But Tab had mentioned it a couple of times here and there that like oh, this is one of the found footage movies that I really like.
00:13:41 --> 00:13:45 <v Speaker 1>So when you brought it up I was excited to see it and I was blown away.
00:13:45 --> 00:13:48 <v Speaker 1>I'm surprised I hadn't gotten around to it sooner.
00:13:48 --> 00:13:51 <v Speaker 1>It's fair to put it in the found footage category.
00:13:51 --> 00:13:54 <v Speaker 1>I'd argue that there's kind of two kinds of found footage movies.
00:13:54 --> 00:14:18 <v Speaker 1>There's faux documentaries, which this is more like, and then there's like paranormal activity, found footage movies and Blair Witch kind of straddles that line and is sort of both, but it's I found footage tends to work the best info documentary, I think it's the most believable and this movie is just such a roller coaster man Like it.
00:14:18 --> 00:14:21 <v Speaker 1>It's both a slow burn and a roller coaster.
00:14:21 --> 00:14:23 <v Speaker 1>It's kind of interesting in that way.
00:14:23 --> 00:14:34 <v Speaker 1>There's a bunch of twists and turns that you don't see coming and then it it all kind of crescendos with that that stinger at the end and it it gets me every damn time.
00:14:34 --> 00:14:37 <v Speaker 1>It got me the second time, both little stingers.
00:14:37 --> 00:14:38 <v Speaker 1>There's kind of technically two.
00:14:38 --> 00:14:40 <v Speaker 1>They both got me each time I was like son of a bitch.
00:14:40 --> 00:14:42 <v Speaker 1>I knew it was coming and it still got me.
00:14:42 --> 00:14:44 <v Speaker 1>So that's effective.
00:14:45 --> 00:14:46 <v Speaker 3>Just by the way, we can spoil it here.
00:14:46 --> 00:14:51 <v Speaker 3>I always do spoil like, if you want to spoil stuff.
00:14:51 --> 00:14:54 <v Speaker 1>I figured we would a little bit later, maybe when we got to it.
00:14:54 --> 00:14:56 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, but feel free to spoil.
00:14:56 --> 00:15:00 <v Speaker 3>If people are listening to this, they really should watch it first.
00:15:02 --> 00:15:03 <v Speaker 1>Totally, totally.
00:15:03 --> 00:15:23 <v Speaker 1>But yeah, the mood, mood of it, like it, it sets a tone and so the the unsettling aspect of it really makes that stinger hit, because you're just waiting for something to happen and then when it does it's, it's very satisfying, yeah yeah, it's like the one jump scare in the whole movie and it's a good one, and I myself.
00:15:24 --> 00:15:29 <v Speaker 3>This is kind of what ruined it for me a little bit the first time through, because I went into this one completely cold.
00:15:29 --> 00:15:31 <v Speaker 3>I had no idea.
00:15:31 --> 00:15:34 <v Speaker 3>I knew of the movie, I knew it had a reputation, et cetera.
00:15:34 --> 00:15:37 <v Speaker 3>And because of the reputation I was like, oh, is this going to be?
00:15:37 --> 00:15:47 <v Speaker 3>Like you know how movies like Paranormal Activity they always have jump scares and things like that all the time and activity, they always have jump scares and things like that all the time.
00:15:47 --> 00:15:49 <v Speaker 3>And I was thinking you know this was going to happen.
00:15:49 --> 00:15:51 <v Speaker 3>And I think I was always kind of waiting for something.
00:15:51 --> 00:16:00 <v Speaker 3>And uh, and when you know, the second time, because I kind of knew what was going to happen, I was like, okay, I could just sit back and kind of enjoy it a little bit more.
00:16:00 --> 00:16:04 <v Speaker 1>So yeah the second time around too, like you get to like.
00:16:04 --> 00:16:19 <v Speaker 1>So they set up the pictures right that the brother is taking and how she's allegedly showing up in them, um, but if you look at them the first time around again, you can see all the moments that are revealed later of where she's actually in the pictures, like she is.
00:16:19 --> 00:16:23 <v Speaker 1>Some of those are more obvious than others, like the backyard one.
00:16:23 --> 00:16:35 <v Speaker 1>It's so obvious that she is sitting on that bench, but the masterful filmmaking directs your eye so well to that other spot that you never even notice it.
00:16:36 --> 00:17:01 <v Speaker 4>Uh, it's, it's so effective be interested to know if anyone actually ever noticed it the first time around yeah, yeah, maybe some be some very astute viewers yeah maybe, maybe but it's well hidden, I think yeah, the only thing I noticed was that I could see a guy sitting in her room and I thought it was going to end up being the dad right um and and, like he was just hanging out in there because he missed her or something.
00:17:01 --> 00:17:02 <v Speaker 3>But for me.
00:17:02 --> 00:17:17 <v Speaker 3>I think this movie is a movie that's probably going to divide a lot of people because you would have some viewers will find the documentary style probably boring and won't find anything exciting and they'll be expecting something really scary because it does have a bit of a reputation.
00:17:17 --> 00:17:22 <v Speaker 3>Yeah Right, others, I guess, will be really taken in and absorbed by the story that's there.
00:17:22 --> 00:17:34 <v Speaker 3>While I didn't find it particularly scary inverted commas I found it sometimes really profoundly sad and creepy as well.
00:17:34 --> 00:17:47 <v Speaker 3>So there's some very disturbing kind of you know, little bits of this movie, things that are uncovered that are kind of very surprising and sort of.
00:17:47 --> 00:17:55 <v Speaker 3>They're not necessarily scary or frightening things, but they just really sort of knock you for six sort of thing.
00:17:56 --> 00:17:59 <v Speaker 1>It feels a lot like and it's probably an influence on this movie.
00:17:59 --> 00:18:03 <v Speaker 1>It feels like Twin Peaks a lot and there's little homages that I feel like are direct homages.
00:18:03 --> 00:18:05 <v Speaker 1>I mean Alice Palmer, yeah, like twin peaks a lot, and there's little homages that I feel like are direct homages.
00:18:05 --> 00:18:26 <v Speaker 1>I mean alice palmer, yeah, um, you have the stuff with the like psychic that is sort of like the stuff with the therapist in twin peaks, and then just the, the backstory, the secret backstory about her affair with the neighbor and everything like she appeared to be this good girl that was innocent and actually had like a bit of darkness to her.
00:18:27 --> 00:18:27 <v Speaker 4>Yeah.
00:18:28 --> 00:18:30 <v Speaker 1>It was very nobody expected yeah.
00:18:30 --> 00:18:37 <v Speaker 4>And there's also like Laura Palmer in twin peaks has a premonition that she'll die, so there's that element as well.
00:18:38 --> 00:18:39 <v Speaker 3>When we talk about the movie.
00:18:39 --> 00:18:44 <v Speaker 3>I don't really I don't think this movie would benefit from just like running it down A to Z.
00:18:44 --> 00:19:02 <v Speaker 3>But a few things I wanted to talk about was the style of the movie, the way they do the mockumentary, you know, and like how it kind of changes the way you look at the movie I think we've touched on it a couple of times Like it kind of brings you in.
00:19:02 --> 00:19:06 <v Speaker 3>I think it brings you into the movie a lot more than if it was just shot like a normal movie.
00:19:06 --> 00:19:13 <v Speaker 3>I was wondering actually, after I watched it the second time, how would this movie have been?
00:19:13 --> 00:19:20 <v Speaker 3>What would it have been like if they'd made it as a movie movie but not a documentary style movie?
00:19:20 --> 00:19:30 <v Speaker 1>yeah, I think the the talking head element of it kind of makes it more engaging because it feels like they're talking directly to you they're like like they're telling you a story.
00:19:30 --> 00:19:47 <v Speaker 3>They're pulling you into this and it feels intimate yeah, it does actually yeah, yeah, and and I think it kind of makes the, the supernatural parts of the movie a little bit more plausible as well, um, in the in that way, because it's a bit it's very implausible.
00:19:47 --> 00:19:50 <v Speaker 3>Well, it depends, right, if you believe in ghosts or not.
00:19:50 --> 00:20:07 <v Speaker 3>I think if you, I considered having a guest on I had a while ago when we did the Babadook to do this movie and she's, you know, into all this psychic stuff and ghosts and stuff like that.
00:20:07 --> 00:20:13 <v Speaker 3>But I didn't want to get super bogged down in the conversation about ghosts and things.
00:20:14 --> 00:20:45 <v Speaker 3>But yeah, it was interesting the way I thought that you know, just talking about the movie in general, again when it all wrapped up I really thought when it wrapped up that it wrapped up well for the family, but I wasn't sure it wrapped up very well for alice if she's a indeed a ghost, like they effectively left her behind right right right they do sort of imply that they felt like she had moved on a little bit, like that she got closure, that they kind of imply that.
00:20:45 --> 00:21:01 <v Speaker 4>But it does like she's still in the picture, yeah, in the background in the house when they're all standing at the front before they leave well, maybe she was saying goodbye maybe there's that um, that part where, like, her mom kind of goes back to the psychic to have one last consultation.
00:21:01 --> 00:21:18 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah and when you line it up with her consultation with him, it's almost like time has sort of fluid and she's experiencing what her mom did, but before and she says my mom can't see me, you know the movie does that kind of repeatedly throughout where like just
00:21:18 --> 00:21:24 <v Speaker 1>time is this like it bleeds, like layers of time kind of bleed over into each other.
00:21:24 --> 00:21:29 <v Speaker 1>And I not to get too woo-woo or whatever, but like I like that idea of spirituality.
00:21:29 --> 00:21:46 <v Speaker 1>I like that, like what we perceive as ghosts is just a separate plane that if you go to the right area where it's maybe sensitive or there's a history of of spiritual activity or spiritual significance, that's kind of those layers can get blended every once in a while and that's.
00:21:46 --> 00:22:00 <v Speaker 1>It feels like that happens repeatedly, like she gets the premonitions of her death through dreams and then other experiences of just her being a ghost she experiences through dreams before she's even dead.
00:22:00 --> 00:22:01 <v Speaker 1>Um, it's.
00:22:01 --> 00:22:11 <v Speaker 1>It's such a clever thing that when you go back and watch it again, like you, you see all those little like moments that sync up yeah well, she sees her own dead body.
00:22:11 --> 00:22:16 <v Speaker 3>Basically, yeah, and that's, that's the big jumper that's the stinger at the end.
00:22:16 --> 00:22:21 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like running, moving at her, and then there's that pause.
00:22:21 --> 00:22:27 <v Speaker 1>But the second stinger is when she runs away from it, that's whenever, like, the pause stops and then she runs from the figure.
00:22:27 --> 00:22:40 <v Speaker 1>I love the detail that, like they I think it's the brother or maybe the dad is saying that they don't think that she saw herself or that she recognized herself, that she just saw a ghost and it freaked her out.
00:22:40 --> 00:22:41 <v Speaker 3>What do you think?
00:22:41 --> 00:22:44 <v Speaker 3>The significance of her burying all her belongings, though, were?
00:22:46 --> 00:22:49 <v Speaker 1>Tab had more of an idea about this than I did.
00:22:49 --> 00:22:49 <v Speaker 1>I was a little unsure.
00:22:49 --> 00:22:52 <v Speaker 1>The phone is more just like I got to get rid of this footage.
00:22:52 --> 00:22:53 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's obvious.
00:22:54 --> 00:23:00 <v Speaker 4>I knew that there was some cultural significance for Aboriginal people there so I wanted to look it up.
00:23:00 --> 00:23:10 <v Speaker 4>I think it is just tied to the fact that they've found possibly the earliest remains and they specifically the thing that I read specifically said ritual burial.
00:23:10 --> 00:23:32 <v Speaker 4>It's like the first evidence of ritual burial probably in the world, and so Aboriginal people kind of see it, as you know, the cradle of life for them, almost Like that's where life originated, because that's where the earliest people were, and so that has a lot of really, really strong significance for them.
00:23:32 --> 00:23:48 <v Speaker 4>I thought maybe the her bearing her things was more related to that, that there was, there had been people buried there, maybe she was symbolically burying herself maybe, maybe she was trying to put herself to rest and maybe she didn't even know, like she didn't know, that that was her.
00:23:49 --> 00:24:01 <v Speaker 1>She may have just been compelled to bury this stuff as like subconsciously, subconsciously understanding that that's what happened and that, like she needs to put this to rest, however she can.
00:24:01 --> 00:24:06 <v Speaker 3>It's an interesting scene, however she can.
00:24:06 --> 00:24:08 <v Speaker 3>It's interesting scene and it's very interesting that I don't know how.
00:24:08 --> 00:24:08 <v Speaker 3>What was the?
00:24:08 --> 00:24:15 <v Speaker 3>I'm trying to look at the time period between when she died and when the family went to lake mungo and uncovered the her belonging it was at least a year.
00:24:15 --> 00:24:32 <v Speaker 3>It was at least a year, right, I was like, yeah, I didn't know, why, find that in the meantime she must have dug like that, quite deeply into the green yeah, and I'm not sure how that it looks, like it's kind of a park, basically, like a public park yeah, it is, yeah, it's a national park how far out were they?
00:24:32 --> 00:24:36 <v Speaker 1>you know like where, where it just seems like wasteland to me.
00:24:36 --> 00:24:57 <v Speaker 3>Like I, I can't tell really where you park and how far out they walked, so it may have been like a little ways out from I had a look at the I guess official website of the area, like the national parks website, and there's like, if they say that it's like wherever you're staying, whether you're camping or whether you're staying they've got some like accommodations there.
00:24:57 --> 00:25:03 <v Speaker 3>It's too basically too far to walk to, but they're saying cars and buses go there all the time, sort of things.
00:25:03 --> 00:25:05 <v Speaker 3>So yeah, I don't know, they were obviously on a school excursion, whether they're saying cars and buses go there all the time, sort of thing.
00:25:05 --> 00:25:10 <v Speaker 3>So yeah, I don't know, they were obviously on a school excursion, whether they were camping or whether they were staying somewhere else, I'm not sure.
00:25:10 --> 00:25:23 <v Speaker 3>It was a very creepy part of the movie, but it's interesting because it's really the only part of the movie that, and when the parents go out there, that they're in Lake Mungo, which is the name of the movie.
00:25:23 --> 00:25:29 <v Speaker 3>But you know, like you said earlier, Tab, it's a significant event, which is why they named the movie that.
00:25:29 --> 00:25:45 <v Speaker 3>The thing that really got me about this movie, especially when I read a bit about it afterwards, is like there's so many theories on what happened and how she died, Like there's theories online that the brother killed her, murdered her.
00:25:45 --> 00:25:47 <v Speaker 1>On my first go-through, I I was like sus of him.
00:25:47 --> 00:25:49 <v Speaker 1>I was a little bit suspicious of him.
00:25:49 --> 00:26:03 <v Speaker 3>I'm sure he was directed to play it like that, Because some people you know, some of the theories I saw were like, if you look at the film and look at times that he was filming her, that there wasn't a great relationship.
00:26:03 --> 00:26:05 <v Speaker 3>She was always seen to be angry with him.
00:26:05 --> 00:26:11 <v Speaker 3>But then there's other videos of him where he's videoed her and she seems quite happy also the bruises on him.
00:26:12 --> 00:26:14 <v Speaker 1>The bruises on him don't don't really fit.
00:26:14 --> 00:26:15 <v Speaker 1>That's the one on my second go-round.
00:26:15 --> 00:26:26 <v Speaker 1>I was like that doesn't that doesn't come back that doesn't make sense, necessarily, unless she is beating him up like she is mad at him for something.
00:26:26 --> 00:26:29 <v Speaker 1>So that leads me to think that maybe he had some involvement.
00:26:29 --> 00:26:40 <v Speaker 1>Also, like the faking, the footage and everything felt a little fishy to me, like his reason for it of like I just wanted them to believe that she was coming back or whatever.
00:26:41 --> 00:26:44 <v Speaker 3>I don't know if I can really really go with that.
00:26:44 --> 00:26:46 <v Speaker 3>I'm assuming she just drowned.
00:26:46 --> 00:26:46 <v Speaker 3>I don't know if I can really really go with that.
00:26:46 --> 00:26:46 <v Speaker 3>I'm assuming she just drowned.
00:26:47 --> 00:27:00 <v Speaker 4>I don't know yeah, I I wondered if maybe there was some sort of supernatural thing that like caused her to drown, like her own ghost pulled her down or something came back, oh, maybe yeah, this is our fate.
00:27:01 --> 00:27:07 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah I guess this is why the film is like I was saying before has kind of picked up a bit of a second life.
00:27:07 --> 00:27:18 <v Speaker 3>If you look at a lot of the I'll watch some youtube videos around, you know, I watched a couple of reviews, I watched a couple of people just talking about it and a lot of them are just like how did she die?
00:27:18 --> 00:27:20 <v Speaker 3>Was it the brother, was it you know, whatever?
00:27:20 --> 00:27:22 <v Speaker 3>But I don't know.
00:27:22 --> 00:27:26 <v Speaker 3>For me, when I watch it I was like, just so, she just drowned, something happened.
00:27:26 --> 00:27:42 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, she got caught up in something or something like that, so didn't look like a very deep lake, though they sort of set up like well there's, he has a line about something, about like her jacket or towel was on the beach, so that shows that she never got out of the water, does it?
00:27:42 --> 00:27:44 <v Speaker 1>Does it show that she never got out of the water?
00:27:44 --> 00:27:46 <v Speaker 1>She just didn't grab her towel?
00:27:46 --> 00:27:46 <v Speaker 1>Like?
00:27:46 --> 00:27:52 <v Speaker 1>There's also the neighbor that could be involved because he was a little nervous about the affair and the tape.
00:27:52 --> 00:27:53 <v Speaker 1>Maybe he did something.
00:27:53 --> 00:27:54 <v Speaker 1>Maybe he followed them out there.
00:27:55 --> 00:28:03 <v Speaker 3>They bounced pretty quickly after she died, like they moved um, I found that like one of the most shocking parts of the film, actually, as oh, yeah, I.
00:28:04 --> 00:28:05 <v Speaker 3>I was like what the fuck is this?
00:28:05 --> 00:28:09 <v Speaker 3>And yeah, I think that's where you really start.
00:28:09 --> 00:28:14 <v Speaker 3>I guess that's where, for me, the movie really started turning and twisting Up.
00:28:14 --> 00:28:17 <v Speaker 3>Till then it was kind of a bit like just a ghost story.
00:28:17 --> 00:28:23 <v Speaker 3>And then, once you get to that point, you start having all these other ideas and you start seeing that all is not what it seemed.
00:28:23 --> 00:28:24 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, it unravels like an onion.
00:28:24 --> 00:28:25 <v Speaker 3>You start having all these other ideas and you start seeing that all is not what it seemed.
00:28:25 --> 00:28:26 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, it unravels like an onion.
00:28:26 --> 00:28:27 <v Speaker 1>It does.
00:28:27 --> 00:28:33 <v Speaker 1>It's got layers, yeah, but it's sort of the Twin Peaks thing, a little bit of just like.
00:28:33 --> 00:28:40 <v Speaker 1>It appears to be this one thing and then the more you like, Laura Palmer in the Twin Peaks appears to be this one type of person.
00:28:40 --> 00:28:42 <v Speaker 1>And then the more you go on, the more you realize.
00:28:45 --> 00:28:45 <v Speaker 4>Oh no.
00:28:45 --> 00:28:49 <v Speaker 4>And then, the more you go on, the more you realize oh no, she had this whole other life, well, like the brother faking the footage.
00:28:49 --> 00:28:50 <v Speaker 4>And then you find out the?
00:28:50 --> 00:28:58 <v Speaker 3>um, the psychic had met with her before yeah before she died yeah, I kind of with the psychic, I kind of was.
00:28:58 --> 00:29:08 <v Speaker 3>I guess he kind of did the right thing by not saying anything, because I guess he wanted to understand what they were trying to do and help them.
00:29:08 --> 00:29:20 <v Speaker 3>And I think if he brought in the fact that he'd already spoken to her, it would have changed the dynamic quite a bit he saved it until it was relevant yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, what did you think?
00:29:20 --> 00:29:23 <v Speaker 3>Do you think he did the right thing by telling them, by not telling them?
00:29:24 --> 00:29:36 <v Speaker 4>that's really complex because I think she he did say she asked that he not share it with anyone, but then you know she was dead and so I don't know how that?
00:29:36 --> 00:29:38 <v Speaker 1>How far does respecting her wishes go?
00:29:38 --> 00:29:39 <v Speaker 1>Yeah?
00:29:40 --> 00:29:57 <v Speaker 4>I guess there's always professional privilege as well, right yeah, if he's ethical, he's probably not going to share it really yeah, I, I would assume like he could kind of hedge, hedge in the middle and say you know, she came to me, but I can't share what she said.
00:29:57 --> 00:29:59 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll bring it up if it's relevant.
00:29:59 --> 00:30:02 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah yeah, those scenes were very interesting.
00:30:02 --> 00:30:16 <v Speaker 3>Like you said, tab the the scene at the end when it's almost like to me that scene played out almost like her and her mother were having like the same conversation with the guy, almost yeah.
00:30:17 --> 00:30:18 <v Speaker 1>They were describing the same scene.
00:30:18 --> 00:30:20 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was kind of heartbreaking yeah.
00:30:20 --> 00:30:22 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, the movie is super sad.
00:30:22 --> 00:30:30 <v Speaker 3>I actually found it more sad than anything else, just that you know there was that loss of life, the family trying to deal with it like it right.
00:30:30 --> 00:30:50 <v Speaker 1>The treatment of and the way they view grief in this movie is very real I think on first viewing I was, like the mom's, a little unhinged, but on a second viewing, the part about her like just walking the neighborhood and walking into people's houses and being like I just wanted to see what someone else's life was like, that is heartbreaking yeah, I thought that too yeah, you know it's.
00:30:50 --> 00:30:58 <v Speaker 1>It's so sad and I I think with the, with the psychic not bringing up the tapes that he had with her.
00:30:58 --> 00:30:59 <v Speaker 1>I think she needed.
00:30:59 --> 00:31:12 <v Speaker 1>They needed to have some supernatural experiences first, because the supernatural experiences are the dreams that she describes right she describes these experiences that end up being what they experience with her ghost.
00:31:12 --> 00:31:18 <v Speaker 1>Um, so maybe he needed to be confronted with that of, just like, wait, you said what she was doing, what now?
00:31:18 --> 00:31:20 <v Speaker 1>Or you felt like this was what here's.
00:31:20 --> 00:31:32 <v Speaker 3>These tapes that you know align with that yeah, I did like the piece about the neighbor creeping into the house as well and and trying to to get hold of the tape.
00:31:32 --> 00:31:37 <v Speaker 3>And obviously the mother knew that she had like that hiding spot for stuff.
00:31:37 --> 00:31:43 <v Speaker 1>But yeah, I guess she had a safe, yeah, yeah yeah so, but obviously, yeah, it was.
00:31:43 --> 00:31:45 <v Speaker 3>It's interesting because at first you're like, oh, what's that movement?
00:31:45 --> 00:31:54 <v Speaker 1>then you go oh, it's the neighbor and then on the first viewing, I thought that I I thought there was something off about that and I think I felt like I was seeing her over there.
00:31:54 --> 00:31:56 <v Speaker 1>And then the movement in the hallway happened.
00:31:56 --> 00:31:58 <v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, that wasn't what I thought it was.
00:31:58 --> 00:32:25 <v Speaker 3>And then clearly you can see that dude like crouched down there yeah I don't know how the police couldn't find them, though I mean very, it's very hard these days to disappear, even even even back then, like that's, and it's only what 15 years ago or something it's based, or 20 years ago yeah very hard to actually disappear like that and especially the whole family you know yeah, yeah, they got to enroll in school somewhere exactly.
00:32:26 --> 00:32:32 <v Speaker 3>I think I would have been more than, like the father said uh, alice's father said, oh, I'd throttle him if I saw him.
00:32:32 --> 00:32:38 <v Speaker 3>I think I'd do more than throttle him, but but, um, yeah, interesting, that whole piece is interesting.
00:32:38 --> 00:32:44 <v Speaker 3>I'm like she obviously babysat for them and I don't know how she got involved.
00:32:44 --> 00:32:59 <v Speaker 3>Or was she involved because she wanted to be, or was she involved because she was coerced for some reason, or he maybe, yeah, had groomed her probably, yeah she was still in high school, I think, when she died right I don't know, that's.
00:32:59 --> 00:33:03 <v Speaker 3>To me it's probably probably the most shocking part of the film.
00:33:03 --> 00:33:04 <v Speaker 3>Yeah.
00:33:04 --> 00:33:06 <v Speaker 4>You expect a ghost.
00:33:06 --> 00:33:10 <v Speaker 1>Like when the ghost happens like you expect that you don't expect this kind of turn.
00:33:11 --> 00:33:14 <v Speaker 3>No, when she started watching, the mother started watching the video and you start seeing the video.
00:33:14 --> 00:33:16 <v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh okay, what ghostly thing is going to happen here?
00:33:16 --> 00:33:19 <v Speaker 3>It's like that's not a ghost and it was.
00:33:19 --> 00:33:20 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was really.
00:33:20 --> 00:33:27 <v Speaker 3>That's a creep, yeah, really creepy and like the mother's involved as well, like both of them.
00:33:27 --> 00:33:28 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like this three-way.
00:33:30 --> 00:33:33 <v Speaker 3>And yeah, so she definitely did have that other life.
00:33:33 --> 00:33:43 <v Speaker 3>I was going to say something about the music in the film, but the music I think is really kind of sparse but really well done for this film I think it's quite.
00:33:43 --> 00:33:50 <v Speaker 3>It is kind of like that documentary style in some places that you would hear in some of these documentaries sort of shows.
00:33:50 --> 00:33:51 <v Speaker 3>So they've done a good job there.
00:33:51 --> 00:33:54 <v Speaker 3>There's nothing you know major to stand out.
00:33:54 --> 00:33:59 <v Speaker 3>I'm always disappointed when I don't have anything really majorly on the music, because I love talking about the music.
00:33:59 --> 00:34:05 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, it doesn't really guide your emotions or anything Like.
00:34:05 --> 00:34:08 <v Speaker 1>It sort of sets a tone of unease or sadness or like kind of melancholy.
00:34:08 --> 00:34:12 <v Speaker 1>But it's not too much, it's very subtle.
00:34:12 --> 00:34:22 <v Speaker 3>It's very much used, as it would be used in one of those documentaries really, because there's lots of the movie where there's no background music at all.
00:34:22 --> 00:34:26 <v Speaker 1>There's times that feel to me like Wernerzog's documentaries.
00:34:26 --> 00:34:41 <v Speaker 1>They kind of feel like parts of grizzly man or into the abyss a little bit, where it's like just somber and like intimate and honest kind of it's hard, maybe, to kind of enjoy, if you know what I mean.
00:34:41 --> 00:34:44 <v Speaker 3>It's like you can enjoy it, like you can look at it and go.
00:34:44 --> 00:34:47 <v Speaker 3>That was a really good movie, but it's hard to kind of.
00:34:47 --> 00:34:58 <v Speaker 3>I always felt like when I was watching it there was always, especially the second time, it kind of felt just like a heavy weight around you because there's no, it doesn't really there's no real happy ending.
00:34:59 --> 00:35:00 <v Speaker 1>No, there's no levity.
00:35:00 --> 00:35:01 <v Speaker 1>No, there's no levity.
00:35:01 --> 00:35:02 <v Speaker 3>There's nothing really.
00:35:02 --> 00:35:03 <v Speaker 3>No, there's no liberty.
00:35:03 --> 00:35:03 <v Speaker 3>There's nothing really.
00:35:03 --> 00:35:06 <v Speaker 1>But that's how true crime documentaries feel yeah.
00:35:06 --> 00:35:08 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, they don't really have a lot of.
00:35:08 --> 00:35:13 <v Speaker 1>The ending is never satisfying and there's not a lot of humor throughout.
00:35:14 --> 00:35:18 <v Speaker 4>Right, and I do think they did a good job of making the family really feel disconnected from each other.
00:35:18 --> 00:35:25 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, like even in that last picture they took, none of them are really smiling and they're all kind of standing separate.
00:35:30 --> 00:35:31 <v Speaker 3>It destroyed their life.
00:35:31 --> 00:35:31 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it did.
00:35:31 --> 00:35:35 <v Speaker 3>It's interesting how they don't manage the grief too, like the father just got stuck into work and distraction, distraction, distraction.
00:35:35 --> 00:36:04 <v Speaker 3>The mom sort of just went off a little bit and kind of dealt with it her own way and the son faked evidence did I get a feeling in this movie when so there was a scene where they're talking to the mother and her mother, and to me there was a sense there's some sort of personality disorder that's been passed down through the generations yeah, the grandmother is like.
00:36:04 --> 00:36:10 <v Speaker 1>I never gave all of myself to june and I assume that she never gave all of herself to alice like they.
00:36:11 --> 00:36:19 <v Speaker 1>They withheld love maybe yeah, like empathy affection, yeah, affection, something was withheld, yeah, there's.
00:36:19 --> 00:36:27 <v Speaker 1>There's a some sort of personality disorder going on and that could be why alice kind of sought comfort and affection elsewhere.
00:36:27 --> 00:36:37 <v Speaker 1>Maybe she did kind of, uh, not organize the the affair with the neighbor, but leaned into it, seek it out.
00:36:37 --> 00:36:48 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I mean, if you compare it to laura in twin peaks, she 100 did like she% sought this exciting, dangerous life.
00:36:48 --> 00:36:53 <v Speaker 1>Maybe Alice was kind of doing that because of she wasn't happy at home, she didn't feel seen at home.
00:36:54 --> 00:37:04 <v Speaker 4>There is footage at that party where she's talking to the neighbor and is sort of standing in a more flirtatious way talking to him.
00:37:04 --> 00:37:08 <v Speaker 1>So yeah, I don't know and that we don't know where that falls in.
00:37:08 --> 00:37:10 <v Speaker 1>Has the affair happened yet?
00:37:10 --> 00:37:10 <v Speaker 1>Is it about to?
00:37:10 --> 00:37:14 <v Speaker 1>We're not really told that part, but whether it's before or after.
00:37:14 --> 00:37:22 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah but her casualness with him doesn't feel like it's one of the other young girls talking to, like an elder.
00:37:22 --> 00:37:47 <v Speaker 3>It seems like two adults talking to each other, yeah, yeah yeah, I thought the inclusion of all her school friends from time to time in this was really good, really well done, obviously in the same style of the documentary, but having some of her good friends sort of speaking up and then later on saying how surprised they were that they didn't realize she had this other life and was doing all this other stuff.
00:37:48 --> 00:37:49 <v Speaker 1>Not only did, what is it they say?
00:37:49 --> 00:37:56 <v Speaker 1>They basically say, like not only did she have secrets, but she didn't even let on that she had secrets.
00:37:56 --> 00:38:01 <v Speaker 1>Like there's not even like anything to think, oh, maybe she's keeping something from us.
00:38:01 --> 00:38:06 <v Speaker 1>Like that wasn't even the case, like they never even assumed that she would do something like that.
00:38:07 --> 00:38:10 <v Speaker 3>I think she said something like she even kept her secret secret, or something like that.
00:38:11 --> 00:38:11 <v Speaker 1>Yeah.
00:38:11 --> 00:38:11 <v Speaker 4>Yeah.
00:38:11 --> 00:38:12 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.
00:38:12 --> 00:38:20 <v Speaker 4>I did want to ask is it really common for kids going to school to have school uniforms?
00:38:20 --> 00:38:21 <v Speaker 4>Do you like?
00:38:21 --> 00:38:22 <v Speaker 3>all the schools have school uniforms.
00:38:22 --> 00:38:24 <v Speaker 3>They all have school uniforms, yeah.
00:38:24 --> 00:38:28 <v Speaker 1>Is that what those kind of bluish, the checkered sort of?
00:38:28 --> 00:38:28 <v Speaker 1>Yeah?
00:38:28 --> 00:38:30 <v Speaker 3>That's a classic school uniform.
00:38:30 --> 00:38:36 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, summer school uniform, you can tell, but yeah, it's.
00:38:36 --> 00:38:37 <v Speaker 3>There's.
00:38:37 --> 00:38:40 <v Speaker 3>All schools in Australia have school uniform.
00:38:40 --> 00:38:43 <v Speaker 4>Oh, wow, okay, that's interesting I don't know.
00:38:43 --> 00:38:45 <v Speaker 3>It makes it more equal, yeah.
00:38:45 --> 00:38:45 <v Speaker 4>Oh, wow, okay.
00:38:45 --> 00:38:47 <v Speaker 3>That's interesting, I don't know it makes it more equal.
00:38:47 --> 00:38:54 <v Speaker 3>You don't have kids that are really well off sort of flaunting their great clothes over kids that aren't so well off, sort of thing.
00:38:54 --> 00:38:55 <v Speaker 3>It's always a big thing.
00:38:55 --> 00:39:01 <v Speaker 3>Every time you get to near the end of school holidays in December, about to go into the new school year, you start seeing all the ads on TV.
00:39:01 --> 00:39:02 <v Speaker 3>Oh, I bet Things like that.
00:39:02 --> 00:39:03 <v Speaker 3>And then your school year you start seeing all the ads on TV.
00:39:03 --> 00:39:03 <v Speaker 4>Oh, I bet.
00:39:03 --> 00:39:04 <v Speaker 3>Things like that.
00:39:04 --> 00:39:42 <v Speaker 3>And then you're always out buying school uniform and there's always like a I remember doing it with my daughter you go up to the school before school, like you know, a few weeks before school goes back and they've got like a shop sort of set up and you go in and you buy the summer uniform and you buy the sports uniform and all the other stuff, yeah, yeah, and you buy the sports uniform and all the other stuff, yeah, yeah, there's obviously schools here that have school uniforms but it's I think it's a lot less common right um, it's usually like catholic school yeah, or charter school or some sort of private school, but public school tends not to have them.
00:39:43 --> 00:39:43 <v Speaker 4>Um.
00:39:43 --> 00:39:58 <v Speaker 4>I think my, my friend's son went to a public school where they had like a dress code, um, but it wasn't necessarily a like the same uniform for everybody some are more rigid than others yeah, as far as the dress codes go, we had one.
00:39:58 --> 00:40:17 <v Speaker 4>I think every school has like a version of one yeah, this one was pretty strict because they had to wear like khaki pants and and a blue polo shirt or something yeah, so you guys obviously didn't wear school uniforms no no, no we could kind of wear well they.
00:40:17 --> 00:40:29 <v Speaker 4>They had a dress code, obviously, but we were allowed to wear pretty much what we wanted, as long as it wasn't offensive and it didn't crop tops yeah, yeah shoulders.
00:40:29 --> 00:40:47 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, short shorts had to be a certain length yeah, I think we touched on before, but but how do you think this film sort of compares with movies like you know, paranormal activity, maybe even the babadook talking about not so not really found footage, but kind of like those ghostly sort of films?
00:40:47 --> 00:40:57 <v Speaker 1>I mean I mentioned before like I think the faux documentary format is more effective than the, the traditional found footage like shaky cam uh version.
00:40:57 --> 00:40:58 <v Speaker 1>So I'd say it's.
00:40:58 --> 00:41:02 <v Speaker 1>It's more effective than um, than paranormal activity.
00:41:02 --> 00:41:09 <v Speaker 1>In that way it's tricky because like Blair Witch kind of straddles that line of the of the two types and does it pretty well.
00:41:09 --> 00:41:11 <v Speaker 1>I think it definitely exceeds paranormal activity.
00:41:11 --> 00:41:22 <v Speaker 1>I think it it makes the characters so much more likable and the tension, the tension they try for in paranormal activity, this succeeds on with much less effort yeah.
00:41:22 --> 00:41:30 <v Speaker 1>I agree same with the stinger at the end, because the stinger on paranormal activity is so elaborate and so like and it feels really forced.
00:41:30 --> 00:41:44 <v Speaker 3>Yes, this felt very organic and, uh, because of that build-up like it really punches hard yeah, I think paranormal activity and films like that are pretty much just there to get crowds in and make them jump.
00:41:44 --> 00:41:49 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've gone off jump scares quite a bit over the years.
00:41:49 --> 00:41:54 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, Especially the musical stinger that always feels like cheating almost.
00:41:54 --> 00:42:08 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah yeah, but I think when you talked about comparing it to the Babadook, I think this feels so much more about the family's grieving process and less about the scares.
00:42:08 --> 00:42:13 <v Speaker 4>And I love the babadook, but, um, that feels much more like a traditional scary movie than this.
00:42:13 --> 00:42:14 <v Speaker 4>This.
00:42:14 --> 00:42:20 <v Speaker 4>This has creepy, unsettling moments, but it's more about, like, unraveling the mystery yeah, that's true.
00:42:21 --> 00:42:44 <v Speaker 1>They are both dealing with grief to a degree, though that's true, yeah which is interesting and in that way they are similar because they are unflattering, unflinching yeah it comes to grief, um, and it shows the different ways that it, that it manifests and I'd say baba duke, is like a heightened version of of how grief can can take over, but yeah, very similar any uh.
00:42:44 --> 00:42:48 <v Speaker 4>Final thoughts on the film I mean I would definitely recommend this movie.
00:42:48 --> 00:42:50 <v Speaker 4>I think it's I don't know.
00:42:50 --> 00:42:59 <v Speaker 4>I think it feels really unique as far as being a mockumentary or found footage film, but it also feels unique being a supernatural film, it's.
00:42:59 --> 00:43:01 <v Speaker 4>It's not really like anything.
00:43:01 --> 00:43:09 <v Speaker 4>You would think it's not you know, six cents and and that kind of thing is what comes to mind when you talk about a ghost movie, and it's nothing like that.
00:43:09 --> 00:43:21 <v Speaker 4>Um, it is a slow burn, so you have to be patient with it, but I think it excels at creating a creepy, unsettling feeling in the way that the best like written ghost stories do yeah, I would agree.
00:43:22 --> 00:43:31 <v Speaker 1>I'd recommend it to anybody that can handle a slow burn, because I know that for some they don't really want to sit there without a lot and let the tension build like that.
00:43:31 --> 00:43:37 <v Speaker 1>But if you are into slow burns and you can be patient, it's really worth it.
00:43:37 --> 00:43:47 <v Speaker 1>And it does warrant rewatches because it's just rich with all of this other detail and then the speculation, and if that is your kind of movie, I would recommend it.
00:43:48 --> 00:44:00 <v Speaker 3>I agree and I think, like you were just saying, it took me really two watches of this movie to get the most out of it, and I reckon that's probably the best way to watch this movie.
00:44:00 --> 00:44:02 <v Speaker 3>Most people would see a movie once and be done.
00:44:02 --> 00:44:05 <v Speaker 3>I'd actually probably recommend you watch this movie twice.
00:44:05 --> 00:44:06 <v Speaker 1>At least twice.
00:44:06 --> 00:44:09 <v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say like it's a good one to put on on a Sunday to kind of unwind.
00:44:10 --> 00:44:11 <v Speaker 3>Like it's not that kind of movie.
00:44:11 --> 00:44:12 <v Speaker 3>It's not that kind of movie at all.
00:44:12 --> 00:44:18 <v Speaker 1>But if you watch it once, watch it again within like fairly quick succession, and then you can take a break.
00:44:18 --> 00:44:18 <v Speaker 1>It's fine.
00:44:18 --> 00:44:21 <v Speaker 1>But the second watch is so satisfying.
00:44:26 --> 00:44:26 <v Speaker 3>You miss quite a bit of the subtext.
00:44:26 --> 00:44:30 <v Speaker 3>In the first viewing, um, and since I had no idea what the movie was about, I was kind of like I said before, I was waiting for jump scares and scary stuff.
00:44:30 --> 00:44:39 <v Speaker 3>And then, watching it a second time, I was able to just relax and let the movie sort of wash over me and and sort of get more into it.
00:44:39 --> 00:44:43 <v Speaker 3>I wasn't on guard, so to speak, and I definitely recommend it.
00:44:43 --> 00:44:47 <v Speaker 3>If you're expecting a bla Blair Witch or a paranormal activity, you're not going to get it.
00:44:47 --> 00:44:52 <v Speaker 3>No, but you're going to get a really good film and an unsettling.
00:44:52 --> 00:44:55 <v Speaker 3>Like I said, I can't get over the sadness in the movie.
00:44:56 --> 00:45:00 <v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a really sad movie, but really good.
00:45:00 --> 00:45:01 <v Speaker 3>Really enjoyed it.
00:45:01 --> 00:45:09 <v Speaker 3>So do the usual thing and ask you guys what's going on in your podcasting lives and what's happening.
00:45:09 --> 00:45:13 <v Speaker 3>I know you both do the Banshees, so interested to hear about that.
00:45:14 --> 00:45:17 <v Speaker 1>I will turn it over to Tab Plug us.
00:45:18 --> 00:45:20 <v Speaker 4>So we just released our prom episode.
00:45:20 --> 00:45:26 <v Speaker 4>I was going to school, so we got a little bit of a backlog of episodes to come out.
00:45:26 --> 00:45:32 <v Speaker 4>We did just release our prom episode, but we've got some really good ones coming out soon.
00:45:32 --> 00:45:34 <v Speaker 1>Should we tease the topics a little bit?
00:45:34 --> 00:45:37 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, Midsommar, we talk about that.
00:45:37 --> 00:45:39 <v Speaker 1>Full horror in general, but Midsommar in general.
00:45:41 --> 00:45:44 <v Speaker 4>We've got a whole episode on lesbian vampires.
00:45:44 --> 00:45:45 <v Speaker 1>That's my episode.
00:45:45 --> 00:45:51 <v Speaker 1>That is my birthday episode and I'm particularly excited for that, but there's quite a few bangers in the vault right now.
00:45:51 --> 00:45:53 <v Speaker 3>Yeah definitely Excellent.
00:45:53 --> 00:46:23 <v Speaker 4>Just to give people a flavor of what the podcast is about feminist podcast with people of kind of all walks of life, all different gender identities and, you know, sexual orientations, and we are looking at these movies and the different media from how femme presenting people are represented in them.
00:46:25 --> 00:46:54 <v Speaker 4>Or experience them honestly because some of the topics are a little bit more like just how did we feel about this as femme presenting people right and you know we we try to do some movies that are written and directed by women, but it's also interesting to talk about movies that aren't, because you know, that tends to be the the majority and it also those movies tend to shape how women are viewed through movies in our culture.
00:46:54 --> 00:47:12 <v Speaker 4>So and how we view ourselves right, exactly we talk about in the promise for ourselves in those movies yeah, in the prom episode we talk about pretty in Pink and how that sort of shaped the way a lot of young women and young femme presenting people viewed romantic relationships.
00:47:12 --> 00:47:17 <v Speaker 4>And at the time Ducky is a character that I love but is also really problematic.
00:47:17 --> 00:47:25 <v Speaker 4>He's kind of like a nice guy character and the one that has sort of been held up is like, oh, this is what you want.
00:47:25 --> 00:47:29 <v Speaker 4>You want a guy to be this interested in you and no yeah.
00:47:29 --> 00:47:31 <v Speaker 1>He has his fair share of problems too.
00:47:31 --> 00:47:32 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.
00:47:33 --> 00:47:34 <v Speaker 3>It is an interesting viewpoint.
00:47:34 --> 00:47:41 <v Speaker 3>I enjoy listening to it, so I would suggest, if you're just into a good podcast, it's definitely worth listening to.
00:47:41 --> 00:47:43 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, we have a lot of fun.
00:47:43 --> 00:47:46 <v Speaker 4>We balance out the serious conversations with a lot of fun.
00:47:46 --> 00:47:48 <v Speaker 3>You've got some interesting personalities on there.
00:47:48 --> 00:47:55 <v Speaker 3>Yes, definitely, it's always good listening to everyone's point of view.
00:47:55 --> 00:47:57 <v Speaker 3>It's really good, yeah, great.
00:47:57 --> 00:48:00 <v Speaker 3>And socials where can people find you guys?
00:48:03 --> 00:48:04 <v Speaker 4>I'm at HorrorFlickTab on Instagram.
00:48:04 --> 00:48:07 <v Speaker 4>You can find the Stiletto Banshees at the Stiletto Banshees on Instagram.
00:48:07 --> 00:48:11 <v Speaker 4>That's where we post the most, but we're also on Threads and Blue Sky, I think.
00:48:12 --> 00:48:15 <v Speaker 1>I'm on Instagram at MissValentine138.
00:48:15 --> 00:48:16 <v Speaker 1>That's M-S.
00:48:16 --> 00:48:18 <v Speaker 1>Missvalentine138.
00:48:18 --> 00:48:19 <v Speaker 1>And I'm pretty active on there.
00:48:19 --> 00:48:22 <v Speaker 1>I'm not really on anything else, but that's my main one.
00:48:23 --> 00:48:23 <v Speaker 3>No Blue Sky.
00:48:23 --> 00:48:24 <v Speaker 3>You can join up now.
00:48:24 --> 00:48:26 <v Speaker 3>It's open to everybody.
00:48:26 --> 00:48:29 <v Speaker 4>It's very similar to Twitter, old Twitter.
00:48:29 --> 00:48:31 <v Speaker 1>I have never even heard of this.
00:48:31 --> 00:48:31 <v Speaker 1>What is this?
00:48:31 --> 00:48:34 <v Speaker 3>It's like Twitter without Elon Musk.
00:48:34 --> 00:48:35 <v Speaker 3>So it's great.
00:48:35 --> 00:48:36 <v Speaker 3>Oh, so perfect.
00:48:36 --> 00:48:40 <v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I think it was created by the same guy that created Twitter right, it was it was.
00:48:40 --> 00:48:42 <v Speaker 4>So it's basically like old Twitter.
00:48:43 --> 00:48:44 <v Speaker 1>Yeah, interesting.
00:48:44 --> 00:48:48 <v Speaker 1>Okay, catch me on that, maybe at the same title.
00:48:49 --> 00:48:51 <v Speaker 3>All right, it's awesome having you guys on.
00:48:51 --> 00:48:52 <v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.
00:48:52 --> 00:48:53 <v Speaker 3>It's great having you Thank you.
00:48:53 --> 00:48:54 <v Speaker 4>Thank you for having us.
00:48:54 --> 00:48:55 <v Speaker 1>It's always fun.
00:48:55 --> 00:48:57 <v Speaker 1>I always find movies that I had never like.
00:48:57 --> 00:48:59 <v Speaker 1>All of the three episodes I've done of this.
00:48:59 --> 00:49:01 <v Speaker 1>I've been blown away by each movie.
00:49:13 --> 00:49:14 <v Speaker 2>So I love doing this show.
00:49:14 --> 00:49:20 <v Speaker 2>All right, thank you so much, guys, and when we come back we'll talk about what's coming up next.
00:49:20 --> 00:49:21 <v Speaker 2>And now preview time.
00:49:21 --> 00:49:32 <v Speaker 2>When it comes to entertainment, you can't beat a good film, so let's take a look at what's coming your way.
00:49:32 --> 00:49:33 <v Speaker 2>Listen, man, I need to splash the boots, you know?
00:49:33 --> 00:49:33 <v Speaker 2>Strain the potatoes.
00:49:33 --> 00:49:37 <v Speaker 2>Barry McKenzie G'day ladies and gentlemen, barry McKenzie's the name.
00:49:37 --> 00:49:40 <v Speaker 2>He's got a great big grin and a great big chin.
00:49:40 --> 00:49:41 <v Speaker 2>Give him half a chance.
00:49:41 --> 00:49:44 <v Speaker 2>He'll be in like Flynn.
00:49:44 --> 00:49:46 <v Speaker 2>His great big fist will flatten any palm.
00:49:47 --> 00:49:48 <v Speaker 1>He's got a great big thirst.
00:49:48 --> 00:49:51 <v Speaker 1>You can do your worst when they tap the cake.
00:49:51 --> 00:49:51 <v Speaker 2>He'll be in there first.
00:49:51 --> 00:49:53 <v Speaker 2>It's a love you'll never win.
00:49:53 --> 00:49:57 <v Speaker 2>And then you hop and go down.
00:49:58 --> 00:50:02 <v Speaker 4>Raymond, this is Barry McKenzie.
00:50:03 --> 00:50:05 <v Speaker 1>Go and stick your head up a dead bear's bum.
00:50:07 --> 00:50:08 <v Speaker 2>Look, barry, seriously.
00:50:08 --> 00:50:11 <v Speaker 2>I've been promising myself a trip to the old country ever since Norm's little operation.
00:50:11 --> 00:50:16 <v Speaker 2>My family came from Britain many moons ago, you know.
00:50:16 --> 00:50:18 <v Speaker 3>Um, hello, sir.
00:50:18 --> 00:50:23 <v Speaker 3>I'm terribly sorry, but Somebody must have let that Australian lunatic on the set.
00:50:23 --> 00:50:26 <v Speaker 3>Excuse me, sir, have you the time?
00:50:28 --> 00:50:33 <v Speaker 2>Sorry sport, but at point of established fact, at the present period of time we watch Richard shaking hands with my wife's best friend.
00:50:33 --> 00:50:37 <v Speaker 2>If we can't make bread out of an authentic Australian folk singer, I'll quit this racket.
00:50:37 --> 00:50:42 <v Speaker 2>Idiom, like you chose well, sir, you chose well here.
00:50:42 --> 00:50:48 <v Speaker 2>Eh, like it, that'll be 43 guineas for this sweep Capital idea.
00:50:48 --> 00:50:51 <v Speaker 2>I'll take the boy into my den and put it up to him.
00:50:52 --> 00:50:55 <v Speaker 4>Oh no, you won't, you filthy old perv?
00:50:55 --> 00:51:01 <v Speaker 2>I'll ask him I want you to think of me as someone that you can turn towards.
00:51:01 --> 00:51:07 <v Speaker 2>Yeah, from what I've heard of your mob, you won't catch me turning any other way From the timber park in South Robert, kansas.
00:51:07 --> 00:51:31 <v Speaker 2>The adventures of the wild and the wilds.
00:51:31 --> 00:51:34 <v Speaker 2>What unbutton the mutton, you know, point Percy at the porcelain.
00:51:38 --> 00:51:40 <v Speaker 3>I think he wants to go to the loo.
00:51:40 --> 00:51:48 <v Speaker 3>Next up on A Dingo Ate my Movie, I'll be joined again by Matt Fulton as we dive headfirst into the adventures of Barry McKenzie, and Barry McKenzie holds his own.
00:51:48 --> 00:52:00 <v Speaker 3>Thank you for taking the time to listen to this episode.
00:52:00 --> 00:52:06 <v Speaker 3>Thank you to all my guests who give their time to make this podcast possible, and a special thanks to you for listening.
00:52:06 --> 00:52:11 <v Speaker 3>Don't forget you can follow aingo Ate my Movie on social media.
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